music

[adam wixey]

Can any one tell me if pirates of the caribbean music is copyrighted, therefore unusable? because i noticed several people had the music at the British open tourn. please help many thanks

[Anita]

Pirates of the Caribbean is Disney and therefore cannot be used. One of the people using it was either from the USA or Ireland - not sure how the PPI licence thing applies to them. Another was an English club who's attitude was "so"!

I'd be interested to know if they should be played or not - I think if they breach the PPI licence rules then the organisers must refuse to play them, simply because of the potential to be fined. In our region the directive will be to turn the music off and they will have to perform without.

[adam wixey]

cheers for the help.:)

[Maxine]

They say that SHOULD there be a representative from either the record company etc then you accept full responsibilty and therefore pay the fine, however the likelyhood of there being anyone there is very slim, my advice would be if you are going to use disney use it regionally and not at a national finals

[Anita]

There may only be a slim chance of the PPI/record company etc people being there but the fine is quite hefty I believe!

Also the advice about using it regionally and not nationally can only apply if your gymnasts don't stand a chance of qualifying for national finals! I don't know about WA and other specialities but with acro if you've qualified with a routine to a particular piece of music then that's what you compete with at the Nationals.

I believe it's better to be safe than sorry and not put the competition organisers in an awkward position because they are the ones actually playing the music and also liable to be fined.:(

[Debbie]

please read the directive from BG about copyright, BG will not cover clubs to use Disney,etc, this does not mean that a club cannot obtain their OWN permission to use Disney direct from Disney or indeed to contact the copyright people direct.
Also not all music used in Disney films is owned by Disney, I think the Lion King music is owned (at the moment) by Elton John!
As for the comments about competition organisers turning music off as a head coach I would be very upset as I sort some of my clubs copyright out directly, and how is any comp organiser to know what is owned by Disney at that moment in time, and some clubs I know have got the relevant permission to use Disney in public.

[Anita]

As a competition organiser I would expect clubs to provide the proof of their permission if they have obtained it themselves - it would be their responsibility to do so. Without this - I will direct the music to be turned off because I'm not going to take the chance of getting lumbered with a fine and no reasonable coach should expect me to :mad:.

I believe it is always best to err on the side of caution. I would also add that I have never heard of Disney giving permission over copyright - they are normally extremeley uncompromising over what's "theirs". Cirque du Soleil, however, can (apparently) be more approachable. Not sure about Andrew Lloyd-Webber: anyone tried him?

[Debbie]

Asking clubs to provide proof of copyrite is fine provided it is in the CoP, or competition rules. Apart from that again, is my point, how do you know what is "Disney" music? Disney do not own all the music they use.
the only way clubs have of knowing who owns what music is to contact the PRS directly over every item of music used! Oh what joy.
I am tempted to try AL Webber, the way to start is to contact the PRS and see if you need permission and then who to apply to.

[Anita]

Our club thought of that with Cirque - but couldn't be bothered. ;) Although we may try once this round of competitions is over and I have more time .........

We've just decided to find other music and there's plenty out there - it's just a case of finding it!!!! :rolleyes:

[jack]

Adam if your still wanting to use Pirates of the caribean try contacting Weston Aerobics club (Web link on links page) They have been given permission to use it.

There is a lot of disney music that is no longer owned by disney and I know of others who have been granted permission to use what people think are disney tracks. If you can track down who owns the rights the companies are usually ok about granting permission so long as it is not used to make money.

I believe the competition organiser should check with the coach BEFORE turning off any music, just because the music was used by disney does not mean they own the rights. You might be sued by the club if you cost them a podium position.

[Anita]

Jack - it is the coach's responsibility to ensure the competition organiser knows that the music they are supplying is legal. Until the music starts the competition organiser and person pressing the music button have no idea what music is on the disk so cannot check beforehand.

Besides, given that there have been many announcements about this problem it would be common courtesy to inform the competition organiser that they can use that particular music, and why: indeed a copy of any permission etc can be placed in the CD box - that would solve a lot of problems.

I will not put myself in a position whereby I can get lumbered with a fine that I can't afford: I'm a volunteer after all! :mad:

Any club that tries suing me would be sent away with a flea in their ear - and no court is likely to entertain it. Trust me.

[Anita]

OK - so who's actually read this in the new section?

One thing that appears to stand out is that we are not allowed to copy music - or, in turn, cut it to length etc etc. The relevant bit it this Further information will be issued as soon as it becomes available but until this matter is resolved, members can help minimise any risk of legal action by ensuring that only original disks are used

Now for what to do at competitions and training - acrobatic gymnastics rules states that the music must be no longer than 2½ minutes and on separate disks. If we can only use original disks they are not cut and have other tracks on them. :eek: Flippin' nightmare.

[Vivien Gourlay]

We used Pirates of the Caribean as it was played by one of the Philharmonic Orchestras (cannot remember which one). We contacted them by getting onto their web site and explained the situation and why we wanted to use it. Their publicity chap got back to us and said okay this time but if it was to be done again it would cost us £500. They also stated that we had to give them the credits before the music was played at the competition and had to take the email with us as proof.

PRS has also told us that very often if you contact the record label company and explain it is for young peoples gymnastics routines, they will let you have an email to say that you have the permission and not charge you anything.